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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: spasmolytic on July 18, 2012, 04:48 am
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I just got some DMT for my first time, I didnt break through mainly because the person I was with kept talking and distracting me >:( (although I did feel like I was at the threshhold), anyway, my question is how long should I wait before I try to attempt a proper breakthrough? I understand this is not a recreational drug, at least in the sense that I don't intend to make it a habit just because I enjoy it. I just want to walk away from the experience with some positive & fresh perspective. So how long before I try again? Any feedback is appreciated!
Also, is it safe to do it alone, or will I need a sitter of some sort?
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In my experience and opinion DMT is safe to do alone. Alot of people will disagree because of the intensity. Personally try and wait atleast a week in between DMT experiences, but have heard of several people smoking it daily. Pretty sure tolerance dimenishes within 24 hours though.
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You're fine doing it alone because of the short duration - if you freak out, the feeling will be gone in five minutes, which is probably quicker than the time it would take a buddy to calm you down.
Also, you could literally do it again in an hour. There's very little tolerance issues with DMT.
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DMT is broken down really quickly, that is why the peak is so short. Tolerance isn't an issue really once you have broken down the DMT fully. You can probably dose again for the same effect after an hour.
However, many people find that repeated quick dosing results in more negative experiences. This is certainly true for me. I leave a day at least before another big dose.
There is no problem though say having 15mg smoked correctly as a warm up. Your brain will be expecting the hit then, making a second go after about 5 mins for a full breakthrough easier. Buy a glass vapor genie and pre prepare doses. Smoking technique is the biggest barrier to breakthrough in my opinion. Get a GVG for maximum efficiency, you will breakthrough with smaller doses and with cleaner tokes.
Check out www.dmt-nexus.me on clearnet for really good advice and information on DMT use.
I have no problem with people buying DMT on SR. But most people on the nexus do, they argue that dealing in the drug makes it a target for law enforcement unnecessarily. I agree that is true with street dealing, but SR is different. You can make DMT really easily though and all chemicals needed are legal. As is the bark that has the DMT in it. But SR provides a service I think to those that can't make for it some reason.
So if make an account don't mention that you bought it. Say a friend made or gave some to you. They treat the molecule as a sacred practice. In some ways I now do as well. But there is some good advice on there.
Many people just trip on it, but it has the potential to change your life too. Ingesting it is another world, much much smoother and controllable to an extent. But then you've got to start learning about MAOI, diet and simple drug interactions.
Welcome to the spice club! ;)
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I enjoy vaping it in the morning as part of my daily meditation, it's quite soothing and let's me know how the rest of my day will be. I've had no tolerance issues to speak of and I've gone through half a gram in a day with my sister at one point so you shouldn't run into a problems either. Personally, I find it more relaxing to vape alone because I don't trust people and they make me anxious during the trip. Personally, if my friend interrupted my trip I'd break their fucking jaw. Anyways good luck with trying to breakthrough, just don't expect to much because I think it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip. It's enlightening for sure and you'll come to realize how small and insignificant you are as a human, but in the end it's just another drug and what you see while under it's influence shouldn't be interpreted as the truth. ;)
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Dude, don't do it, it's known to cause Mesophelioma!
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Dude, don't do it, it's known to cause Mesophelioma!
What a terrible troll, it's like they don't even bother trying anymore. ::)
Just report and move on, no point in anyone else giving him attention.
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I think it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I know for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
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I think it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I know for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
Okay so you're saying DMT has the potential to allow you speak to a god who will tell you secrets of the universe that the mass majority are ignorant of? If not then I'm afraid you vastly misunderstood me.
You have just placed psychedelics on a pedestal above the other drugs and elevated their effects to an inflated degree. These tribes who get fucked up on DMT/Ayahuasca are getting fucked up and then crafting a religion out of the experience. I see no reason to glorify this unfortunate world view because I've been deep in these mindsets and began crafting my own sincere drug-induced religious beliefs. It's so fucking simple and so fucking seductive to create your own constellation of mystical ideas when in the throes of Ayahuasca ecstasy. They are victims of ignorance, powerful drugs, and poor critical thinking skills. I'm a casualty of it too until I started thinking outside of the box and then outside of that box. Try it.
I think at subconsciously these things tend to have some sort of meaning in some way, but then people just take it way too far. I agree that perhaps in the smaller doses one may be able to gain some insight into their own psychology, motivations, and life. It's at the high doses that I feel psychedelics lose any functionality at all, even metaphorical meaning. I'd always found myself trying to force meaning on trips in an effort to integrate and when I was done I'd have a bunch of half-assed ideas that were poorly fitting into the places where I'd try to stuff them.
Again, some people may find meaning in their trips and their lives may improve because of them but I'm simply saying don't take everything you see or experience as a fact.
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I think it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I know for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
Okay so you're saying DMT has the potential to allow you speak to a god who will tell you secrets of the universe that the mass majority are ignorant of? If not then I'm afraid you vastly misunderstood me.
You have just placed psychedelics on a pedestal above the other drugs and elevated their effects to an inflated degree. These tribes who get fucked up on DMT/Ayahuasca are getting fucked up and then crafting a religion out of the experience. I see no reason to glorify this unfortunate world view because I've been deep in these mindsets and began crafting my own sincere drug-induced religious beliefs. It's so fucking simple and so fucking seductive to create your own constellation of mystical ideas when in the throes of Ayahuasca ecstasy. They are victims of ignorance, powerful drugs, and poor critical thinking skills. I'm a casualty of it too until I started thinking outside of the box and then outside of that box. Try it.
I think at subconsciously these things tend to have some sort of meaning in some way, but then people just take it way too far. I agree that perhaps in the smaller doses one may be able to gain some insight into their own psychology, motivations, and life. It's at the high doses that I feel psychedelics lose any functionality at all, even metaphorical meaning. I'd always found myself trying to force meaning on trips in an effort to integrate and when I was done I'd have a bunch of half-assed ideas that were poorly fitting into the places where I'd try to stuff them.
Again, some people may find meaning in their trips and their lives may improve because of them but I'm simply saying don't take everything you see or experience as a fact.
I'm glad you're concerned for my ability to think outside of the box, though I'm not sure why you think I've done DMT or have psychedelics on any kind of pedestal (I have only done shrooms once). Is it because I have posted readily available knowledge in this thread? That's the only rational scenario I can come up with.
Now as for religious experiences and whatnot related to psychedelics - not my concern here at all. I don't care. What I do care about is someone thinking they can speak to the experience of someone else. That's pretty crazy to me.
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I think it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I know for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
Okay so you're saying DMT has the potential to allow you speak to a god who will tell you secrets of the universe that the mass majority are ignorant of? If not then I'm afraid you vastly misunderstood me.
You have just placed psychedelics on a pedestal above the other drugs and elevated their effects to an inflated degree. These tribes who get fucked up on DMT/Ayahuasca are getting fucked up and then crafting a religion out of the experience. I see no reason to glorify this unfortunate world view because I've been deep in these mindsets and began crafting my own sincere drug-induced religious beliefs. It's so fucking simple and so fucking seductive to create your own constellation of mystical ideas when in the throes of Ayahuasca ecstasy. They are victims of ignorance, powerful drugs, and poor critical thinking skills. I'm a casualty of it too until I started thinking outside of the box and then outside of that box. Try it.
I think at subconsciously these things tend to have some sort of meaning in some way, but then people just take it way too far. I agree that perhaps in the smaller doses one may be able to gain some insight into their own psychology, motivations, and life. It's at the high doses that I feel psychedelics lose any functionality at all, even metaphorical meaning. I'd always found myself trying to force meaning on trips in an effort to integrate and when I was done I'd have a bunch of half-assed ideas that were poorly fitting into the places where I'd try to stuff them.
Again, some people may find meaning in their trips and their lives may improve because of them but I'm simply saying don't take everything you see or experience as a fact.
I'm glad you're concerned for my ability to think outside of the box, though I'm not sure why you think I've done DMT or have psychedelics on any kind of pedestal (I have only done shrooms once). Is it because I have posted readily available knowledge in this thread? That's the only rational scenario I can come up with.
Now as for religious experiences and whatnot related to psychedelics - not my concern here at all. I don't care. What I do care about is someone thinking they can speak to the experience of someone else. That's pretty crazy to me.
Well that's plain old hypocritical to argue with no experience in the matter, especially saying what you know is more factual than my opinion because that just isn't true either. ::)
So you say you haven't tried DMT, yet you give advice regarding this substance which you have never ingested before based on what I assume you've read about it from others experiences, followed by lecturing me about speaking on behalf of someone else? Where the fuck do you get your logic from Genghar, because I don't fucking understand it one bit. ???
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I think it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I know for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
Okay so you're saying DMT has the potential to allow you speak to a god who will tell you secrets of the universe that the mass majority are ignorant of? If not then I'm afraid you vastly misunderstood me.
You have just placed psychedelics on a pedestal above the other drugs and elevated their effects to an inflated degree. These tribes who get fucked up on DMT/Ayahuasca are getting fucked up and then crafting a religion out of the experience. I see no reason to glorify this unfortunate world view because I've been deep in these mindsets and began crafting my own sincere drug-induced religious beliefs. It's so fucking simple and so fucking seductive to create your own constellation of mystical ideas when in the throes of Ayahuasca ecstasy. They are victims of ignorance, powerful drugs, and poor critical thinking skills. I'm a casualty of it too until I started thinking outside of the box and then outside of that box. Try it.
I think at subconsciously these things tend to have some sort of meaning in some way, but then people just take it way too far. I agree that perhaps in the smaller doses one may be able to gain some insight into their own psychology, motivations, and life. It's at the high doses that I feel psychedelics lose any functionality at all, even metaphorical meaning. I'd always found myself trying to force meaning on trips in an effort to integrate and when I was done I'd have a bunch of half-assed ideas that were poorly fitting into the places where I'd try to stuff them.
Again, some people may find meaning in their trips and their lives may improve because of them but I'm simply saying don't take everything you see or experience as a fact.
I'm glad you're concerned for my ability to think outside of the box, though I'm not sure why you think I've done DMT or have psychedelics on any kind of pedestal (I have only done shrooms once). Is it because I have posted readily available knowledge in this thread? That's the only rational scenario I can come up with.
Now as for religious experiences and whatnot related to psychedelics - not my concern here at all. I don't care. What I do care about is someone thinking they can speak to the experience of someone else. That's pretty crazy to me.
Well that's plain old hypocritical to argue with no experience in the matter, especially saying what you know is more factual than my opinion because that just isn't true either. ::)
So you say you haven't tried DMT, yet you give advice regarding this substance which you have never ingested before based on what I assume you've read about it from others experiences, followed by lecturing me about speaking on behalf of someone else? Where the fuck do you get your logic from Genghar, because I don't fucking understand it one bit. ???
I actually haven't said anything about the factuality of anything here, other than the physical side effects of ingesting DMT.
What happens to someone beyond the physicality of how their bodies react to DMT? I don't know and I don't care. What happens to someone, in direct relation to the physicality of how their bodies react to DMT? That can be spoken to by anybody with a little research.
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I actually haven't said anything about the factuality of anything here, other than the physical side effects of ingesting DMT.
Oh really? ::)
I THINK it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I KNOW for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
Notice how I use the term 'think' while you use the word 'know'. I'm not a genius but I'd say "think" implies an opinion while 'know' implies fact. Just keep going at it buddy, you obviously don't belong here so it's no concern of mine if you insist on making a fool of yourself. ;D
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I actually haven't said anything about the factuality of anything here, other than the physical side effects of ingesting DMT.
Oh really? ::)
I THINK it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I KNOW for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
Notice how I use the term 'think' while you use the word 'know'. I'm not a genius but I'd say "think" implies an opinion while 'know' implies fact. Just keep going at it buddy, you obviously don't belong here so it's no concern of mine if you insist on making a fool of yourself. ;D
You got me on a technicality of semantics. No condescension - you really got me there.
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I actually haven't said anything about the factuality of anything here, other than the physical side effects of ingesting DMT.
Oh really? ::)
I THINK it's bullshit what people say about finding mystical answers to life and ridiculous shit like that during their trip.
I don't know you, but I KNOW for sure you can't speak on behalf of anybody else.
Notice how I use the term 'think' while you use the word 'know'. I'm not a genius but I'd say "think" implies an opinion while 'know' implies fact. Just keep going at it buddy, you obviously don't belong here so it's no concern of mine if you insist on making a fool of yourself. ;D
You got me on a technicality of semantics. No condescension - you really got me there.
That's great, I don't enjoy being a jerk you know. ;)
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Thanks guys :), I appreciate the feedback! I'd +1, but I no have karma powers yet :'(
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i don't think anyone could really say what the DMT experience is, which is why people say its a mystical experience. its something which cannot be explained, or fully understood. I also get annoyed with the recent wave of people who've tried DMT (post 2006, the year "DMT For the Masses" was written) who think they KNOW what dmt is all about. nobody knows. making a religion out of it is stupid because then you're just creating yet another belief system...like gary oak said, another box outside of the box. no more boxes, i say. DMT is bonkers, and thats pretty much the long and short of it. how you use the experience is up to you
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Dude, don't do it, it's known to cause Mesophelioma!
Excuse but Mr. shit eater. Please do not spread lies in the forums and if I catch hijinx such as this in DRUG SAFETY.
You can start your troll account over at 0 posts.
:)
nomad